Posts by Anna Marina

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Steve Hassan - politics as a cult

by Anna Marina in

see this video at 2:58. sanity4sweden explains that 'cult expert' steve hassan was on cnn giving advice on how to deprogram trump supporters.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3plguubdsjs/.

so this must be political correctness on steroids.. i have occasionally heard the name steve hassan mentioned in relation to the watchtower.

but even watchtower helps people to escape cults.

Anna Marina

Locally a number of us have been thrown out of Watchtower for sticking to the words of the Bible and actings like Christians.

Before we were thrown out an attempt was made to change the subject entirely by taking trip down memory lane. We were positively held on high and made a consderable fuss of. But, not being stupid, we did not allow the subject to be changed because the matters we wanted sorting out were serious.

Watchtower has problems with blaspemy and child abuse to say the least and the lives of many have been damaged.

Watchtower want you to build bridges to it - return to them. As for the concerns you have - park them. Forget them. The GB will fix matters. And that is the Watchtower trap because if you leave matters for long enough you forget there was ever a problem there BUT THE PROBLEM REMAINS.

Well, I am out of Watchtower. But looking at the secular world I have left jobs because I was being expected to put out false info. I have watched fine teams of people destroyed by wolves in sheep's clothing and suffer greatly. There are similarities to Watchtower.

But you know what, I never got angry. Yes I could see what was going on and even to this day I could take you to those whose lives have been left in tatters as they tried to stand firm for integrity in the workforce. Some of them ended up on tablets others on long-term sick. I have watched faces turn white as they it dawns on them what's happening. But being angry doesn't really help, although they have every right to be furious.

In this world where people have forgotten God, I have see things which suggest many more people are praying. I expect Watchtower would like to draw them in. Watchtower will offer to be a set of helping hands which then finally strangles anything remaining of decency or the Holy Spirit out of them. The ultimate 'I can't breath.'

I found a car that had been parked for a long time. I use it as an illustration. If you watch this video you'll see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxGjBc2d54&t=1s

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The Great Re-Set Flop

by Anna Marina in

i just watched a video about artificial intelligence and what the future is going to look like according to a lot of powerful people.

noticed at least one mover and shaker who is closer to watchtower-land than is generally realised.. it occured to me artificial intelligence does require numbers.

and those numbers have got to be doing the right thing - you know 1 must = 1 and 2 must = 2 or else you press the go button and you get nothing or an error message.

Anna Marina

I just watched a video about Artificial Intelligence and what the future is going to look like according to a lot of powerful people. Noticed at least one mover and shaker who is closer to Watchtower-land than is generally realised.

It occured to me Artificial Intelligence does require numbers. And those numbers have got to be doing the right thing - you know 1 must = 1 and 2 must = 2 or else you press the go button and you get nothing or an error message. In Watchtower-land numbers don't add up.

So I was watching all these great movers and shakers and thinking, it might not work out as they imagine. And someone else might be doing a great re-set who can actually add up.

(Isaiah 40:15) . . .Look! The nations are as a drop from a bucket; and as the film of dust on the scales they have been accounted. Look! He lifts the islands themselves as mere fine [dust].

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Steve Hassan - politics as a cult

by Anna Marina in

see this video at 2:58. sanity4sweden explains that 'cult expert' steve hassan was on cnn giving advice on how to deprogram trump supporters.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3plguubdsjs/.

so this must be political correctness on steroids.. i have occasionally heard the name steve hassan mentioned in relation to the watchtower.

but even watchtower helps people to escape cults.

Anna Marina

For the keen colporteurs wishing to fight cults...

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Cult-of-Trump/Steven-Hassan/9781982127336

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Steve Hassan - politics as a cult

by Anna Marina in

see this video at 2:58. sanity4sweden explains that 'cult expert' steve hassan was on cnn giving advice on how to deprogram trump supporters.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3plguubdsjs/.

so this must be political correctness on steroids.. i have occasionally heard the name steve hassan mentioned in relation to the watchtower.

but even watchtower helps people to escape cults.

Anna Marina

Hi MeanMrMustard - on Steven Hassan not being rigorous on his definition. Yes its a right blooper mixing religion and politics. Kind of assalts the very concept of democracy, don't you think? Love the way you explain what Hassan did:-

Hassan claimed Molyneaux was a cult, and then slowly as Rogan passively questioned him, pushed back a little, he changed his position, contradicted himself, claimed he didn't know too much about the details of his claims, but still decided he was a cult leader. I mean, this stuff matters. If anyone is going to go around saying people are in a cult, that person should be able to address those claims without the appeal to emotion and subjective terminology.

In UK (where I lived) we have a constitutional monarchy. The Queen is the titular head of the Church of England. But America has a president not a monarch - although in the days of the Founding Fathers, I understand it was suggested America should have it's own king.

Muslims do not separate government from religion.

What we see in Watchtower is an attempt through the Communist idea of stages of history coupled with Christ's 2nd coming, to establish a link between religion and government and justify rulership by a particular set of people.

It all comes down to values and priorities and the question of who says what is right. I think it was Louis 14th who said, "the State, it is I."

An elder told me that some elders believe that if you lie and you fool the other person, God gave you those words to lie with and the fact that the lie succeeded means that God has approved the lie. Well, Jesus said Satan is the Father of the lie. So it shows who WT and such elders serve. Certainly not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Watchtower play with numbers to get to the date 1914 to establish their authority. It's rubbish but people believe it. How ironic that there has been such controversy over whether or not the votes in America were counted properly. Values as their most basic. Have people been lied to or have they been told the truth? And if you dare to question whether or not you have been told the truth are you an... apostate?

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Steve Hassan - politics as a cult

by Anna Marina in

see this video at 2:58. sanity4sweden explains that 'cult expert' steve hassan was on cnn giving advice on how to deprogram trump supporters.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3plguubdsjs/.

so this must be political correctness on steroids.. i have occasionally heard the name steve hassan mentioned in relation to the watchtower.

but even watchtower helps people to escape cults.

Anna Marina

See this video at 2:58

Sanity4Sweden explains that 'cult expert' Steve Hassan was on CNN giving advice on how to deprogram Trump supporters.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3PLgUuBDSjs/

So this must be political correctness on steroids.

I have occasionally heard the name Steve Hassan mentioned in relation to the Watchtower. But even Watchtower helps people to escape cults. It too can define a cult and tell you how you ought to behave, according to it, Watchtower the bookselling, broadcasting, media company cult which we all know so well.

In the 70s and 80s there were people who used to kidnap those involved in religions like the Moonies or Scientology. It went to the court and the courts took action against the deprogrammers. Deprogramming extremists even used rape and agression as one of their methods.

But the courts said, the people involved in the cults had freedom of choice even if the relatives who had hired the deprogrammer felt otherwise.

The sad thing was that whereas you can see that intitially this all started with loving parents wanting to protect their children from exploitation, the tables turned and decent people with decent values were being kidnapped and treated badly by deprogrammers - who basically wanted money. Be it money for their services or money for their books. How very C T Russell and J F Rutherford.

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2021...what do you foresee?

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you think the world will be a better place?

more civil?

kinder?

Anna Marina

I am not in US and don't have that much insight into the elections but I found this video which kind of touches on the theme of the opening post.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qMsmgxDvD2lT/

But what struck me about this video was when David Knight talks about trust and how if you trust someone saying, "it's ok, we've got it in hand, just leave it to us," it can be a death trap. That's just like Watchtower and it's "leave it to the GB, just follow them, everything will be ok." Then the publishers follow the GB right over the cliff face.

(Matthew 15:14) . . .LET them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit. . .

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Does the Jehovah's Witnesses fall into category of being an organized cult ?

by Finkelstein in

i think it does especially being that this organization is rigidly structured itself on formulated doctrines from a top hierarchy of men which are strictly enforced, among other reasons.

what cults are.

a cult is not necessarily a religious group, although religious cults are common, including breakaway sects from more mainstream faiths.

Anna Marina

To define a cult is one thing.

Watchtower can define a cult and then say they are not a cult.

*** rs p. 202 par. 2 Jehovah’s Witnesses ***
A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion according to prescribed ritual. Many cults follow a living human leader, and often their adherents live in groups apart from the rest of society. The standard for what is orthodox, however, should be God’s Word, and Jehovah’s Witnesses strictly adhere to the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion. They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society. They live and work in the midst of other people.

Jesus said you identify people by their actions

(John 13:34-35) . . .I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”

So you have to get to know someone before you can tell how they act towards you. I had to get to know and understand the one who called on me and offered to study the Bible with me. How could I just write her off as a fraud without listening? Even to this day I think she was sincere, however misguided.

People have to have freedom to explore - and those defining what a cult is can be just as much of a cult as those they are criticising. This is something I have learnt from Watchtower's tricks.

So if YOU look out for the well being of your fellow man, does your fellow man respond the same or do they not care about you? Do they act out of an obligation of contract, money and organization or as a brother or sister responding to you as an individual with integrity? Do they love you?

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Will JWs get DFed if they are caught with old JW publications?

by mickbobcat in

i was told that if a jw now gets caught reading or with old jw literature they can get dfed.

i doubt this is true but wanted to know for sure.

.

Anna Marina

I got disfellowshipped for being caught with current literature and understanding it. But I view this as a positive.

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The Cancel Culture Is Alive And Well

by minimus in

jw
friends

if you don’t support certain ideas or beliefs, you may find yourself on the losing end in business, money matters, and community.

curt schilling, a former red sox player who is conservative today reported how his insurance company suddenly dropped him even though he was an excellent consumer with them because of his “ views”.

he was marked by those in charge and evidently was told by the rep he knew that they didn’t like his political views.

Anna Marina

Hi Resolute Bandicoot - thank you for the link. Would like to share an experience.

I am one of those who sees a refugee as a little darling needing a home and safety. I see strangers as those who are to be welcomed and not perceived them with prejudice. Wait and see what they prove to be. It is SO easy to jump to the wrong conclusions. Give everyone as chance, that's my view.

And so on on ministry I went round tapping on doors and met many a smiling Arabic face. They would invite me in in. Feed me dates, cook me meals. Whole room fulls would sit and listen as I opened the Bible and read to them. Yes roomfuls of women and then even of men.

I had so many friendly conversations - they were kind to me. Some even wanted to take me back to Egypt with them. I thought that was a bit odd though. But one of them came along to the Kingdom Hall and I was able to show hospitality to others. So I had really good relations with these people. This was maybe about 15 years ago.

However in 2019, after at least 14 years of trying to reason with the GB, I got disfellowshipped for sticking to the words of the prophet Daniel.

Meantime a Muslim family had moved in next door to me. It all started off very friendly as you might expect but even though Watchtower was throwing me out, I still maintained my Christian faith and my ability to defend it. Therefore, when my neighbour began talking about his beliefs, I made sure he understood that our areas of agreement might be certain facts about Abraham and beyond that he should not expect me to agree with him because I was Christian. He presented as if he accepted my Christianity but then said I ought to watch a video by Sinead Oconnor saying why she converted to Islam.

The way it turned out - unless I submitted to his ways, ie abandon my Christian faith I was to be a target of his relentless hurt. I have stood up to this, just as I have stood up to the GB.

Observers say Israel will be sending me a medal for my outstanding performance in dealing with crabby cult members. Not sure it'll really be Israel - but I hope I put a smile on Jesus' face.

(John 14:1) . . .Do not let YOUR hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God, exercise faith also in me. . .

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The Cancel Culture Is Alive And Well

by minimus in

jw
friends

if you don’t support certain ideas or beliefs, you may find yourself on the losing end in business, money matters, and community.

curt schilling, a former red sox player who is conservative today reported how his insurance company suddenly dropped him even though he was an excellent consumer with them because of his “ views”.

he was marked by those in charge and evidently was told by the rep he knew that they didn’t like his political views.

Anna Marina

Great video on Cancel Culture

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZjVDDjr38mee/